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Brian Dean made $100,000 from a 2,000 person email list

The short version: Brian Dean runs Backlinko, a seven-figure profitable SEO business built on about 40 blog posts. His first course launch went to a list of maybe 2,000 people and did $100,000, 75% of it in the last 12 hours. His eighth launch did almost a million with 16 emails over five days. Everything he does is smaller than you would guess, and that is the reason it works.

Updated September 2026. Originally published February 2017.

Brian Dean has about 40 posts on backlinko.com. He publishes one a month. That is a seven-figure profitable business.

His first course launch went to an email list of maybe 2,000 people, maybe less. He thought it might do $15,000. It did $100,000.

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Brian is one of my good friends and I have a total man boner for this guy. He is insanely good at SEO, also known as getting your shit listed for free in Google. I had three questions for him, and one of his answers I went and did to my own site the same week.

Why 2,000 people was enough

Backlinko started as a hedge. Brian’s whole goal in life was $3,000 a month from affiliate sites, because he read The 4-Hour Workweek and was totally going to do that. His best affiliate site got 98% of its traffic from Google. “One day that could go to zero.” So he built a brand that could still get visitors and subscribers even if he stopped ranking.

It made no money for nine months. He barely noticed.

“I knew that to build a blog you need to rank, you need to have good content and you need to have an email list. So I just really focused on those things. I had my nose to the grindstone so much I didn’t even think about it.”

His validation was a focus group of one. “I just figured I would have bought a course. It’s just one person, but I was like, I would buy a course that taught me link building stuff. So I should assume there’s other people out there too.”

The launch itself was copied from Derek Halpern, day by day. If Derek sent an FAQ email on day two, Brian wrote an FAQ email on day two, in his own words. “It was a 100% copy job in that sense.” What he didn’t copy was the knowledge that launches make all their money at the end. “After day three or four I was so dejected. I had no sales. It wasn’t even like disappointment. It was a legit depression.” On the last day he sent one email that said it ends tonight, went to bed, and woke up to 75% of the sales.

Everyone who hears this does the same math. He had 2,000 people and made six figures. I can do that. Sometimes I think no, you can’t. Sometimes I think everyone can. Brian’s answer is that it depends who the 2,000 are.

“The thing I had in my favor was I had a small list, but the product market fit was perfect. The people that found me straight away were exactly my target audience. These were people that were already doing well with SEO and wanted to do better. So when I sold a course to them, they weren’t like, wow, this is $500, I can’t afford that.”

His list was half affiliate marketers and half SEO agencies. If your list is coupon people, your course has to be $15. Who you go after in your first 100 subscribers decides what you can sell them two years later.

The other thing he had was years of SEO experience, most of it doing the wrong stuff. “I at least knew what not to do, which is actually a huge advantage, because then what’s left is what you do.” The blog was case studies he had run himself, in a world where most SEO people were regurgitating the same information.

16 emails, almost a million dollars

He has done eight launches now. The last one did almost a million, and it was the simplest one he has ever run: 16 emails over five days. It’s open, some more information about the course, we’re closing.

“A lot of people do crazy stuff with launches. They think the more complicated it is, the better it’s going to do. A webinar on the first day, a webinar in the middle, a webinar on the last day, a bonus on this day. The more things I took away, the better it did.”

Same with the blog. There are two million blog posts published every day. “Once you realize that, you can either be like, mine’s just going to get lost in the deluge, or step up and be like, I need to make something that’s going to be the best thing that comes out today. It’s really hard to create something that great. That’s why I create something once a month.”

An average Backlinko post takes him 25 hours. Most people put in an hour and wonder why it isn’t doing well.

I pushed him on promotion, because it’s not a great article if no one reads it. He half agreed. “If you do good article plus promotion, that equals a failed article, usually. Crappy promotion plus amazing article is usually great.” In the beginning his promotion was emailing influencers who had already shared something on the same topic. Google the topic, find who wrote about it, find their email with sellhack.com, write to them by hand. Never ask for the share. “I would just say, hey, I have this thing about open rates, do you want to see it? If they like it, they’ll share it. They already did.” Related, not competing. 100% manual. People automate too early. Premature automation, if you know what I’m saying. (More on the no-ask email in how to email a busy VIP.)

He doesn’t do outreach anymore. He emails his list, because most of the people he would have emailed are already on it. Same reason everything I make goes to the 114,000+ entrepreneurs on my newsletter first, with no schedule, only when there is something worth sending.

Fewer pages rank better

My last question: I get eaten by a giraffe and Brian inherits okdork.com. What does he do first?

Positioning. What is this blog, and why would it be different from the thousands of other blogs out there? OkDork worked because of the expert posts, the BuzzSumo guys, Brian, Peep, people teaching what they know. So go 100% that. Then the practical part.

“Delete all the content that doesn’t fit that or serve that. That’s usually the first thing I do when I evaluate a site. The more pages you have on the site, the more technical problems you have, the less likely you are to rank for competitive keywords.”

Every link you get sends PageRank to your site. The more pages you have, the thinner it spreads. Keep the site small and every link counts more for you than the same link would for a giant. That is how Backlinko got on the first page for “backlinks,” “link building” and “on page SEO” with about 15 posts, against Moz and Search Engine Land, sites that had been around for over 10 years.

It also works as a limitation. If you could only publish 12 posts this year, you would not write “five tips for whatever.” I knew this when I wrote up how we grew OkDork 200%. I still wasn’t doing it.

So the challenge, and the thing I did to my own site. Open Google Analytics. Behavior, Site Content, All Pages. Set the date range to 60 days. Sort by page views, lowest first. Export it to a CSV so it’s easier to work through. Then delete every page that brings in no one from organic or social. “This isn’t serving anyone. Let’s just get rid of it.”

Brian built a seven-figure business on 40 posts and a million-dollar launch on 16 emails. Go find out how many pages on your site are doing nothing, and delete them today.

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118 responses to β€œBrian Dean made $100,000 from a 2,000 person email list”

Cheefoo
October 31, 2019 at 8:28 pm

Great podcast! Do you have any idea what’s the 90 day goal setting program name that Brian is using?

Corday
March 3, 2018 at 8:21 am

Great show.
One request, can you write the summery of whole show in 300 or less words?
That would be so helpful.
Thank you so much.

Janco Vorster
November 29, 2017 at 2:49 pm

I have to start deleting pages, but too scared to”kill my darlings”
Very……Very informative show. Thx
Fan of both of you

Safe
July 21, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Great Podcast Noah and Brian. Does Reese peanut butter cups count as a candy bar? Had a question about the deleting of pages. Is it better to just out right delete them or should you setup a no-index instead? Is there any case studies that show this tactic to actually work?

Vick
July 11, 2017 at 10:39 am

.. I’d have to say a toss up between Mars and Flake (only in Australia I think). What about you, Noah?

Ryan
June 21, 2017 at 10:50 pm

Good stuff. One thought: he was able to simplify his last launch and still do such beast numbers because he’s since created such a massive amount of authority and trust in this niche.

Christy
March 18, 2017 at 8:26 pm

This is a fantastic podcast.

Andrew Overby
March 17, 2017 at 1:29 pm

Great episode! I enjoyed it, and I learned from it.

Matthew Staton
March 11, 2017 at 11:05 am

Great podcast. The only thing I would’ve added is to 301 redirect the page or pages you are deleting.

Eileen Padilla
March 10, 2017 at 1:11 pm

Great ideas (I think) but I’m the newest newby there is so I don’t really know what I don’t know…you know? Haven’t started my blog but am researching to figure out how to do this. Thanks for (hopefully) pointing me in the right direction.

Robert
March 10, 2017 at 10:05 am

Wow, great episode!
There were so many awesome and actionable ideas, but my big take-aways as a total online business newbie were:
#1 – Focus on developing truly high quality content (that’s super useful to your niche audience… even if that audience isn’t massive)
#2 – Play the long game, and don’t be afraid to invest a lot of time/effort into a piece of content (make it evergreen) or learning something deeply
#3 – Simplify your marketing, don’t overwhelm your audience
#4 -Think of what you’re procrastinating on professionally, get specific, and commit to (re)learning or mastering that with a beginners mind

Candy L Hill
March 9, 2017 at 4:31 pm

Entertaining and insightful, I learned a lot!

Reese’s Peanut Butter cups are my favorite candy bar.

Heidi Oehler
March 9, 2017 at 1:17 pm

Love the show! Love how you ask for specifics/ examples and really probe into topics. Thanks for all your hard work.

Gayle
March 8, 2017 at 6:54 pm

I really enjoyed your interview with Brian. The questions were excellent. Just what I needed to learn today. Still looking for a way to share my vegan dessert recipes. May use YouTube.
Thanks, Gayle

Daniel
March 8, 2017 at 4:50 pm

Twix

Heidi
March 8, 2017 at 2:15 pm

One of the most actionable tip-laden podcasts yet! Thx!

Renee
March 8, 2017 at 12:13 pm

Great content on this post. I’m heading on over to Google Analytics to check my stats and prepping myself to delete!

Wanted to give you a thumbs up on Google Play – but they don’t give the option to give you a like, that’s a bummer.

Apoorv Mote
March 8, 2017 at 6:50 am

Instead of YouTube I am embedding private Vimeo Videos on my blog. With YouTube people get distracted with competitor content. I want people to stay with my content. How will the tactics be different for me?

Susanna Soderstrom
March 8, 2017 at 4:25 am

Great show with great tips!
My favourite candy bar is Daim. πŸ™‚

Shawn Harris
March 7, 2017 at 9:07 pm

Great podcast! SEO is such obtuse voodoo to me it’s great to hear some tangible pointers.

Mushroom Steve
March 7, 2017 at 8:14 pm

Good stuff fellas. Been focusing on the 100% of stuff that works the last couple weeks so that was good reinforcement. Also relates to the deleting of shit that doesn’t.

Phil
March 7, 2017 at 6:44 pm

solid episode, heaps of takeaways. I really like the way you ask questions.

Ty
March 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm

9 Tacos out of 10. Dropped 1 taco for audio quality. I still enjoyed those other 9 tacos…deeeeelish!

Florence Adenikinju
March 7, 2017 at 5:32 pm

Great stuff

Karla Cienfuegos
March 7, 2017 at 3:13 pm

There’s so many golden nuggets in this episode. I always thought having more content was better, but when Brian explained why less content is better, my mind was blown.

My favorite candy are the gummy bears from Trader Joes. πŸ™‚

N L
March 7, 2017 at 2:48 pm

I plan to listen a second time!

Dave Burns
March 7, 2017 at 2:19 pm

Loved this episode, particularly the counter-intuitive advice on improving SEO for websites by reducing pages.

Kevin
March 7, 2017 at 2:14 pm

Nice episode. My favorite candy bar is Milky Way. Not sure why, but it seems like my first comment disappeared

Kevin
March 7, 2017 at 2:17 pm

Hmm, odd, now I can see my first comment. Glitch I guess.

Corey
March 7, 2017 at 2:08 pm

Hey Noah, love this episode, and the podcast in general. Keep up the awesome work.

Nathan
March 7, 2017 at 1:39 pm

Interesting tidbit about the way YouTube interprets viewer retention rates from short videos with hgher rates compared to longer videos with a lower viewer retention rate

Robert
March 7, 2017 at 12:29 pm

Great podcast Noah! Aside from the content packed into your interviews, I also take note of how you keep the conversation flowing with relevant questions and how you sprinkle humor throughout. I have the conversational skills of a 4-year old, so your podcast provides a learning opportunity on so many levels.

Thanks again, and I’m already looking forward to your next one. Oh, and my favorite candy bar is prob Mounds, 3 Musketeers a close second. What’s yours?

Kevin Watts
March 7, 2017 at 11:28 am

Liked the show. Step-by-step instructions – if you don’t know how to do this you shouldn’t be here – awesome. My favorite candy bar is Milky Way.

Stacey
March 7, 2017 at 11:21 am

They say your hair grows faster if you cut it often. I guess the same goes with content. Delete those low traffic pages and improve your SEO. Fav candy bar – Ocho bar with caramel and peanuts. I eat two of them at a time they are so good.

Eric
March 7, 2017 at 11:07 am

Loved this episode! Very insightful

Peter
March 7, 2017 at 10:44 am

Very interesting interview, this guy rocks in SEO! He must eat tacos all the time…

Rhian
March 7, 2017 at 10:22 am

Great show – now lots of work to implement!

Brent Robison
March 7, 2017 at 10:15 am

Listened to this a few days ago on my drive home from LA… this was easily the best podcast I’ve listened to in 6-12 months. Top 10 of all time. You and Brian killed it!

Marco
March 7, 2017 at 9:33 am

This must have been my favorite podcast episode for quite some time! Loved the whole conversation between Noah and Brian and got lots of input. Can’t wait for the next episode, Noah …

Sue
March 7, 2017 at 9:32 am

You’re so right – “it’s ‘easy’ to find customers when you’re very specific”. As a marketer who can solve a lot of different problems, that’s actually a bad thing for me because people don’t always “see” their problems in my solutions. But as I’ve niched down, I’ve gotten more traction. Thanks for a great episode!

Dominik
March 7, 2017 at 9:22 am

<3 πŸ™‚

Dustin D Bowman
March 7, 2017 at 9:12 am

It is great to see people committed to quality content. In a society of more is better, we lose sight of the truth: people will respond to quality!

Luke
March 7, 2017 at 8:57 am

Great stuff. Brain’s work has had a massive influence on my own business already. Gonna dig into the notes and apply some more of his ideas this week πŸ™‚

Thomas
March 7, 2017 at 8:45 am

I listened and Love Brian’s stuff!

Alexis Avellan
March 7, 2017 at 8:40 am

I’ve been doing SEO for a while now but never thought about his recommendation at the end where he says to delete the pages that are not doing anything for your website. And how you retain more “link juice.” Great stuff!

Ricardo Parro
March 7, 2017 at 8:32 am

I loved this episode. It as a lot of compacted info and it’s inspiring at the same time. Great job Noah and thanks for sharing so much value for FREE! I am always looking forward to Tuesdays!

Will H
March 7, 2017 at 8:32 am

Great Podcast! I’m a big fan of Brian Dean. I follow his blog and receive his email blast. I highly recommend this episode to anyone in the SEO field. Cheers!

harel filiba
March 7, 2017 at 8:29 am

Hi There, Taco Man.

I must say you inspired me.

Brian has an awesome blog and I read almost all of it.

It’s great to hear the 2 of you together, which give awesome tips!

Will be happy to hear some tips of you on the start of the blogging way!

Cheers, Taco and Bear, Hell yeah

Matt
March 7, 2017 at 8:26 am

Thanks for getting him on the show! I’ve spent over 10 hours since then combing through his stuff. It’s been awesome.

PJ
March 7, 2017 at 8:24 am

This was a great episode, as soon as it was over I went into my site and deleted over 330 ‘dead weight’ pages!

Jamie
March 6, 2017 at 6:45 pm

Had the same issue with the super fast audio, was expecting you at the end to say it was intentional, to show how much time you had now saved. Time that should be spent implementing the advice given.

Noah Kagan
March 6, 2017 at 9:32 pm

Ha, that would have been funny. It was an error on our side. Should be fixed if you listen to it now. Learning and improving.

Andy Enright
March 6, 2017 at 9:20 am

Especially loved the ideas of one blog post per month and the 90 day year. Implementing both. Thanks Noah & Brian!

Prachi Gupta
March 6, 2017 at 4:50 am

your content is good. I liked your youtube channel. thank you very much for creating videos on youtube. it is very beneficial.

Adam Knight
March 6, 2017 at 3:58 am

Awesome as always!

Chris
March 5, 2017 at 10:09 am

Great episode. I am curious about the removing old content part. Would Brian then recommend going out to Google and using their URL removal tool? Not a big candy bar fan, but I can throw down on some Swedish fish.

Nick
March 3, 2017 at 7:37 pm

Great information and a fun listen. It’s going to be difficult to fit one year of goals into four months.

I also like Payday; I wouldn’t say it’s my favorite, but really good!

Daniel
March 3, 2017 at 10:15 am

Great content, clear and actionable! Thanks Noah, gracias Noah!

David Attard
March 3, 2017 at 9:01 am

Hey Noah,

Brian is one of the people I’ve learnt so much from – he is the man. I’ve paid for his course and it’s paid for itself several times over.

Thing is, Brian cusses a bit less than you, so your stuff is a bit more amusing πŸ™‚

With you Noah, I pay for Sumo and a lot of your stuff, so yeah, I like much of your stuff too.

Today I looked at my stats and found I’m converting 50 emails a day and was really happy, and then along comes Brian and he poops on my party with 350 emails a day 😐

Incidentally, still looking for case studies for Sumo?

Ted McKeon
March 3, 2017 at 7:54 am

Great Podcast! very informative, definitely going to check out his website.

Ignacio
March 2, 2017 at 10:56 pm

Hey Noah, loving the podcast content!! Brian is a rock star and gives pure gold tips, like always having a beginner’s mindset.

Keep bringing awesome practical stuff, I’ll keep learning from you and your guests.

Tacos 4 ever!

Andrew Miner
March 2, 2017 at 8:53 pm

This episode was hella good. Think less/do more. Delete underperformers…

Noah, one underrated tactic I’ve noticed over the years is that you are relentless in incentivizing participation/sharing with little easter eggs. What percentage effect do you think that has had on your activities/businesses? Or is it hard to measure?

Shirley Henderson
March 2, 2017 at 5:35 pm

Just subscribed to Brian’s YouTube channel, awesome! Thanks, Noah.

Ben
March 2, 2017 at 5:31 pm

Interesting podcast! I’d live to get a list of some of the best courses Brian has done so far. Brian ?

Garett Southerton
March 2, 2017 at 5:17 pm

Excellent episode with a bunch of gold nuggets ??

Stephan Attar
March 2, 2017 at 4:27 pm

This is Awesome!!! Thank You for sharing these SEO tips Noah πŸ™‚

Jayden
March 2, 2017 at 4:00 pm

Listened! Audio issues never bother me – if you can hear the content then I’m happy.

Bob
March 2, 2017 at 3:24 pm

What a great podcast with some really surprising insight…but you’ll have to listen to hear it!

Susan Lassiter-Lyons
March 2, 2017 at 2:21 pm

Great episode! One question about deleting posts. Do you just delete or do you delete and add a 440 redirect to let Google know it’s deleted? Fave candy bar – Heath Bar FTW!

Julie Gordon White
March 2, 2017 at 1:18 pm

Loved EVERY SECOND of this!! Thx Noah!

Moira Lethbridge
March 2, 2017 at 12:56 pm

My favorite candy bar is Snickers but I haven’t eaten sugar since 1989 so I bet there are way better candy bars on the market. Love the Google analytics recommendation to delete pages that aren’t getting traffic.

gregory
March 2, 2017 at 12:49 pm

pretty cool to hear from brian! great insights!

Chris Nadeau
March 2, 2017 at 11:42 am

That was awesome dudes! I learned a ton from you both. Thank you!

Tom
March 2, 2017 at 11:14 am

This interview was hilarious and insightful. Just downloaded all the rest of your episodes and looking forward to binge-listening this werkend. Brian is a rockstar and love his ideas on focus and soecifically, focusing on your niche (and leaving other interests as hobbies).

Keep up the great work Noah.

Lenna Mau
March 2, 2017 at 10:20 am

Great info! Thank you. Love your podcast. Was this episode at a higher speed? I kept checking if I had it 1.5x…

Noah Kagan
March 2, 2017 at 11:43 am

It was a bug when first uploaded. If you play it again it should be fine.

Moira Lethbridge
March 2, 2017 at 12:57 pm

I thought I just had too much caffeine….

Jen
March 2, 2017 at 10:01 am

Definitely a quality interview. Nice variety of content and actionable tips. Can’t wait to apply some of them, though probably not the 90 day year thing. I don’t really get it. If you can get it done in 90 days, shouldn’t you set a bigger goal? What are you supposed to do for the rest of the year?

Jayden Lawson
April 28, 2017 at 7:09 pm

I think it’s an awesome concept. The point is that focusing on a big goal for completion in 90 days means you eliminate most or all of your wasted time. If you analysed your week, you would probably find that you waste at least 50% of your time doing things that aren’t important.

Lavinia
March 2, 2017 at 9:58 am

Copying someone else’s launch is such a simple but clever idea! Or should I say drawing inspiration from it?!

Fajar
March 2, 2017 at 9:44 am

Good content!

Alyssa
March 2, 2017 at 9:42 am

First time listening, really enjoyed it- lots of actionable takeaways. Am deleting non-producing pages off my site now. My favorite candy bar is Caramello.

NICOLAS FRANCO
March 2, 2017 at 9:41 am

Noah, I’ve been following you’re content for two years, now I started my own project of Online Marketing for Entrepreneurs (less than a month and already a client), thanks a lot for everything. We will keep using you’re material to improve our project.
Very good material, we have to work in our SEO ASAP to start growing our site traffic.
Thanks again!

PS: We are from Argentina, so yes, you are inspiring people worldwide!

Ryan
March 2, 2017 at 9:28 am

I listened last night. Good stuff. I’ve done a lot of work on my sites, but I’ve never deleted a ton of comment at once like Brian recommends. But my sites are almost 10 years old, so I’m sure there is a ton of content I can kill.

Was this the one tactic you used to permanently improve OK Dork? Or was it focusing on on your strengths of having experts write about their area of expertise?

Manne L
March 2, 2017 at 9:26 am

Good job! I think this is the best one so far. I like the tactical step-by-step stuff. Keep it up!

Phil Benham
March 2, 2017 at 9:11 am

Loved the episode, Noah!

As a side note, and as a non-expert, I would suggest making these shows a bit shorter. There was a lot of good stuff in this one, but as I had some other browser windows open and multi-tasking online is super challenging, I lost some of the last half of the show. Just sayin’…

Roland
March 2, 2017 at 9:10 am

If not overwhelming your customers is a target then I’m sad to say you’ve failed. Too much content, delivered far to quickly. I’m old and slow (er 50) and probably missed 50% of what was said. There again, the other 50% was useful (in an American way…). Does repetition of the same number (50) help? Yup, that was 50.

Susan Lassiter-Lyons
March 2, 2017 at 2:23 pm

Do some brain exercises, man. 50 is the new 30. I’m 51 and I keep up.

Tashi
March 2, 2017 at 9:09 am

Audio was fine for me. Noah Kagan is amazing!