The short version: Brian Dean runs Backlinko, a seven-figure profitable SEO business built on about 40 blog posts. His first course launch went to a list of maybe 2,000 people and did $100,000, 75% of it in the last 12 hours. His eighth launch did almost a million with 16 emails over five days. Everything he does is smaller than you would guess, and that is the reason it works.
Updated September 2026. Originally published February 2017.
Brian Dean has about 40 posts on backlinko.com. He publishes one a month. That is a seven-figure profitable business.
His first course launch went to an email list of maybe 2,000 people, maybe less. He thought it might do $15,000. It did $100,000.
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Brian is one of my good friends and I have a total man boner for this guy. He is insanely good at SEO, also known as getting your shit listed for free in Google. I had three questions for him, and one of his answers I went and did to my own site the same week.
Why 2,000 people was enough
Backlinko started as a hedge. Brian’s whole goal in life was $3,000 a month from affiliate sites, because he read The 4-Hour Workweek and was totally going to do that. His best affiliate site got 98% of its traffic from Google. “One day that could go to zero.” So he built a brand that could still get visitors and subscribers even if he stopped ranking.
It made no money for nine months. He barely noticed.
“I knew that to build a blog you need to rank, you need to have good content and you need to have an email list. So I just really focused on those things. I had my nose to the grindstone so much I didn’t even think about it.”
His validation was a focus group of one. “I just figured I would have bought a course. It’s just one person, but I was like, I would buy a course that taught me link building stuff. So I should assume there’s other people out there too.”
The launch itself was copied from Derek Halpern, day by day. If Derek sent an FAQ email on day two, Brian wrote an FAQ email on day two, in his own words. “It was a 100% copy job in that sense.” What he didn’t copy was the knowledge that launches make all their money at the end. “After day three or four I was so dejected. I had no sales. It wasn’t even like disappointment. It was a legit depression.” On the last day he sent one email that said it ends tonight, went to bed, and woke up to 75% of the sales.
Everyone who hears this does the same math. He had 2,000 people and made six figures. I can do that. Sometimes I think no, you can’t. Sometimes I think everyone can. Brian’s answer is that it depends who the 2,000 are.
“The thing I had in my favor was I had a small list, but the product market fit was perfect. The people that found me straight away were exactly my target audience. These were people that were already doing well with SEO and wanted to do better. So when I sold a course to them, they weren’t like, wow, this is $500, I can’t afford that.”
His list was half affiliate marketers and half SEO agencies. If your list is coupon people, your course has to be $15. Who you go after in your first 100 subscribers decides what you can sell them two years later.
The other thing he had was years of SEO experience, most of it doing the wrong stuff. “I at least knew what not to do, which is actually a huge advantage, because then what’s left is what you do.” The blog was case studies he had run himself, in a world where most SEO people were regurgitating the same information.
16 emails, almost a million dollars
He has done eight launches now. The last one did almost a million, and it was the simplest one he has ever run: 16 emails over five days. It’s open, some more information about the course, we’re closing.
“A lot of people do crazy stuff with launches. They think the more complicated it is, the better it’s going to do. A webinar on the first day, a webinar in the middle, a webinar on the last day, a bonus on this day. The more things I took away, the better it did.”
Same with the blog. There are two million blog posts published every day. “Once you realize that, you can either be like, mine’s just going to get lost in the deluge, or step up and be like, I need to make something that’s going to be the best thing that comes out today. It’s really hard to create something that great. That’s why I create something once a month.”
An average Backlinko post takes him 25 hours. Most people put in an hour and wonder why it isn’t doing well.
I pushed him on promotion, because it’s not a great article if no one reads it. He half agreed. “If you do good article plus promotion, that equals a failed article, usually. Crappy promotion plus amazing article is usually great.” In the beginning his promotion was emailing influencers who had already shared something on the same topic. Google the topic, find who wrote about it, find their email with sellhack.com, write to them by hand. Never ask for the share. “I would just say, hey, I have this thing about open rates, do you want to see it? If they like it, they’ll share it. They already did.” Related, not competing. 100% manual. People automate too early. Premature automation, if you know what I’m saying. (More on the no-ask email in how to email a busy VIP.)
He doesn’t do outreach anymore. He emails his list, because most of the people he would have emailed are already on it. Same reason everything I make goes to the 114,000+ entrepreneurs on my newsletter first, with no schedule, only when there is something worth sending.
Fewer pages rank better
My last question: I get eaten by a giraffe and Brian inherits okdork.com. What does he do first?
Positioning. What is this blog, and why would it be different from the thousands of other blogs out there? OkDork worked because of the expert posts, the BuzzSumo guys, Brian, Peep, people teaching what they know. So go 100% that. Then the practical part.
“Delete all the content that doesn’t fit that or serve that. That’s usually the first thing I do when I evaluate a site. The more pages you have on the site, the more technical problems you have, the less likely you are to rank for competitive keywords.”
Every link you get sends PageRank to your site. The more pages you have, the thinner it spreads. Keep the site small and every link counts more for you than the same link would for a giant. That is how Backlinko got on the first page for “backlinks,” “link building” and “on page SEO” with about 15 posts, against Moz and Search Engine Land, sites that had been around for over 10 years.
It also works as a limitation. If you could only publish 12 posts this year, you would not write “five tips for whatever.” I knew this when I wrote up how we grew OkDork 200%. I still wasn’t doing it.
So the challenge, and the thing I did to my own site. Open Google Analytics. Behavior, Site Content, All Pages. Set the date range to 60 days. Sort by page views, lowest first. Export it to a CSV so it’s easier to work through. Then delete every page that brings in no one from organic or social. “This isn’t serving anyone. Let’s just get rid of it.”
Brian built a seven-figure business on 40 posts and a million-dollar launch on 16 emails. Go find out how many pages on your site are doing nothing, and delete them today.
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118 responses to βBrian Dean made $100,000 from a 2,000 person email listβ
Great podcast! Do you have any idea what’s the 90 day goal setting program name that Brian is using?
Great show.
One request, can you write the summery of whole show in 300 or less words?
That would be so helpful.
Thank you so much.
I have to start deleting pages, but too scared to”kill my darlings”
Very……Very informative show. Thx
Fan of both of you
Great Podcast Noah and Brian. Does Reese peanut butter cups count as a candy bar? Had a question about the deleting of pages. Is it better to just out right delete them or should you setup a no-index instead? Is there any case studies that show this tactic to actually work?
.. I’d have to say a toss up between Mars and Flake (only in Australia I think). What about you, Noah?
Good stuff. One thought: he was able to simplify his last launch and still do such beast numbers because he’s since created such a massive amount of authority and trust in this niche.
This is a fantastic podcast.
Great episode! I enjoyed it, and I learned from it.
Great podcast. The only thing I would’ve added is to 301 redirect the page or pages you are deleting.
Great ideas (I think) but I’m the newest newby there is so I don’t really know what I don’t know…you know? Haven’t started my blog but am researching to figure out how to do this. Thanks for (hopefully) pointing me in the right direction.
Wow, great episode!
There were so many awesome and actionable ideas, but my big take-aways as a total online business newbie were:
#1 – Focus on developing truly high quality content (that’s super useful to your niche audience… even if that audience isn’t massive)
#2 – Play the long game, and don’t be afraid to invest a lot of time/effort into a piece of content (make it evergreen) or learning something deeply
#3 – Simplify your marketing, don’t overwhelm your audience
#4 -Think of what you’re procrastinating on professionally, get specific, and commit to (re)learning or mastering that with a beginners mind
Entertaining and insightful, I learned a lot!
Reese’s Peanut Butter cups are my favorite candy bar.
Love the show! Love how you ask for specifics/ examples and really probe into topics. Thanks for all your hard work.
I really enjoyed your interview with Brian. The questions were excellent. Just what I needed to learn today. Still looking for a way to share my vegan dessert recipes. May use YouTube.
Thanks, Gayle
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One of the most actionable tip-laden podcasts yet! Thx!
Great content on this post. I’m heading on over to Google Analytics to check my stats and prepping myself to delete!
Wanted to give you a thumbs up on Google Play – but they don’t give the option to give you a like, that’s a bummer.
Instead of YouTube I am embedding private Vimeo Videos on my blog. With YouTube people get distracted with competitor content. I want people to stay with my content. How will the tactics be different for me?
Great show with great tips!
My favourite candy bar is Daim. π
Great podcast! SEO is such obtuse voodoo to me it’s great to hear some tangible pointers.
Good stuff fellas. Been focusing on the 100% of stuff that works the last couple weeks so that was good reinforcement. Also relates to the deleting of shit that doesn’t.
solid episode, heaps of takeaways. I really like the way you ask questions.
9 Tacos out of 10. Dropped 1 taco for audio quality. I still enjoyed those other 9 tacos…deeeeelish!
Great stuff
There’s so many golden nuggets in this episode. I always thought having more content was better, but when Brian explained why less content is better, my mind was blown.
My favorite candy are the gummy bears from Trader Joes. π
I plan to listen a second time!
Loved this episode, particularly the counter-intuitive advice on improving SEO for websites by reducing pages.
Nice episode. My favorite candy bar is Milky Way. Not sure why, but it seems like my first comment disappeared
Hmm, odd, now I can see my first comment. Glitch I guess.
Hey Noah, love this episode, and the podcast in general. Keep up the awesome work.
Interesting tidbit about the way YouTube interprets viewer retention rates from short videos with hgher rates compared to longer videos with a lower viewer retention rate
Great podcast Noah! Aside from the content packed into your interviews, I also take note of how you keep the conversation flowing with relevant questions and how you sprinkle humor throughout. I have the conversational skills of a 4-year old, so your podcast provides a learning opportunity on so many levels.
Thanks again, and I’m already looking forward to your next one. Oh, and my favorite candy bar is prob Mounds, 3 Musketeers a close second. What’s yours?
Liked the show. Step-by-step instructions – if you don’t know how to do this you shouldn’t be here – awesome. My favorite candy bar is Milky Way.
They say your hair grows faster if you cut it often. I guess the same goes with content. Delete those low traffic pages and improve your SEO. Fav candy bar – Ocho bar with caramel and peanuts. I eat two of them at a time they are so good.
Loved this episode! Very insightful
Very interesting interview, this guy rocks in SEO! He must eat tacos all the time…
Great show – now lots of work to implement!
Listened to this a few days ago on my drive home from LA… this was easily the best podcast I’ve listened to in 6-12 months. Top 10 of all time. You and Brian killed it!
This must have been my favorite podcast episode for quite some time! Loved the whole conversation between Noah and Brian and got lots of input. Can’t wait for the next episode, Noah …
You’re so right – “it’s ‘easy’ to find customers when you’re very specific”. As a marketer who can solve a lot of different problems, that’s actually a bad thing for me because people don’t always “see” their problems in my solutions. But as I’ve niched down, I’ve gotten more traction. Thanks for a great episode!
<3 π
It is great to see people committed to quality content. In a society of more is better, we lose sight of the truth: people will respond to quality!
Great stuff. Brain’s work has had a massive influence on my own business already. Gonna dig into the notes and apply some more of his ideas this week π
I listened and Love Brian’s stuff!
I’ve been doing SEO for a while now but never thought about his recommendation at the end where he says to delete the pages that are not doing anything for your website. And how you retain more “link juice.” Great stuff!
I loved this episode. It as a lot of compacted info and it’s inspiring at the same time. Great job Noah and thanks for sharing so much value for FREE! I am always looking forward to Tuesdays!
Great Podcast! I’m a big fan of Brian Dean. I follow his blog and receive his email blast. I highly recommend this episode to anyone in the SEO field. Cheers!
Hi There, Taco Man.
I must say you inspired me.
Brian has an awesome blog and I read almost all of it.
It’s great to hear the 2 of you together, which give awesome tips!
Will be happy to hear some tips of you on the start of the blogging way!
Cheers, Taco and Bear, Hell yeah
Thanks for getting him on the show! I’ve spent over 10 hours since then combing through his stuff. It’s been awesome.
This was a great episode, as soon as it was over I went into my site and deleted over 330 ‘dead weight’ pages!
Had the same issue with the super fast audio, was expecting you at the end to say it was intentional, to show how much time you had now saved. Time that should be spent implementing the advice given.
Ha, that would have been funny. It was an error on our side. Should be fixed if you listen to it now. Learning and improving.
Especially loved the ideas of one blog post per month and the 90 day year. Implementing both. Thanks Noah & Brian!
your content is good. I liked your youtube channel. thank you very much for creating videos on youtube. it is very beneficial.
Awesome as always!
Great episode. I am curious about the removing old content part. Would Brian then recommend going out to Google and using their URL removal tool? Not a big candy bar fan, but I can throw down on some Swedish fish.
Great information and a fun listen. It’s going to be difficult to fit one year of goals into four months.
I also like Payday; I wouldn’t say it’s my favorite, but really good!
Great content, clear and actionable! Thanks Noah, gracias Noah!
Hey Noah,
Brian is one of the people I’ve learnt so much from – he is the man. I’ve paid for his course and it’s paid for itself several times over.
Thing is, Brian cusses a bit less than you, so your stuff is a bit more amusing π
With you Noah, I pay for Sumo and a lot of your stuff, so yeah, I like much of your stuff too.
Today I looked at my stats and found I’m converting 50 emails a day and was really happy, and then along comes Brian and he poops on my party with 350 emails a day π
Incidentally, still looking for case studies for Sumo?
Great Podcast! very informative, definitely going to check out his website.
Hey Noah, loving the podcast content!! Brian is a rock star and gives pure gold tips, like always having a beginner’s mindset.
Keep bringing awesome practical stuff, I’ll keep learning from you and your guests.
Tacos 4 ever!
This episode was hella good. Think less/do more. Delete underperformers…
Noah, one underrated tactic I’ve noticed over the years is that you are relentless in incentivizing participation/sharing with little easter eggs. What percentage effect do you think that has had on your activities/businesses? Or is it hard to measure?
Just subscribed to Brian’s YouTube channel, awesome! Thanks, Noah.
Interesting podcast! I’d live to get a list of some of the best courses Brian has done so far. Brian ?
Excellent episode with a bunch of gold nuggets ??
This is Awesome!!! Thank You for sharing these SEO tips Noah π
Listened! Audio issues never bother me – if you can hear the content then I’m happy.
What a great podcast with some really surprising insight…but you’ll have to listen to hear it!
Great episode! One question about deleting posts. Do you just delete or do you delete and add a 440 redirect to let Google know it’s deleted? Fave candy bar – Heath Bar FTW!
Loved EVERY SECOND of this!! Thx Noah!
My favorite candy bar is Snickers but I haven’t eaten sugar since 1989 so I bet there are way better candy bars on the market. Love the Google analytics recommendation to delete pages that aren’t getting traffic.
pretty cool to hear from brian! great insights!
That was awesome dudes! I learned a ton from you both. Thank you!
This interview was hilarious and insightful. Just downloaded all the rest of your episodes and looking forward to binge-listening this werkend. Brian is a rockstar and love his ideas on focus and soecifically, focusing on your niche (and leaving other interests as hobbies).
Keep up the great work Noah.
Great info! Thank you. Love your podcast. Was this episode at a higher speed? I kept checking if I had it 1.5x…
It was a bug when first uploaded. If you play it again it should be fine.
I thought I just had too much caffeine….
Definitely a quality interview. Nice variety of content and actionable tips. Can’t wait to apply some of them, though probably not the 90 day year thing. I don’t really get it. If you can get it done in 90 days, shouldn’t you set a bigger goal? What are you supposed to do for the rest of the year?
I think it’s an awesome concept. The point is that focusing on a big goal for completion in 90 days means you eliminate most or all of your wasted time. If you analysed your week, you would probably find that you waste at least 50% of your time doing things that aren’t important.
Copying someone else’s launch is such a simple but clever idea! Or should I say drawing inspiration from it?!
Good content!
First time listening, really enjoyed it- lots of actionable takeaways. Am deleting non-producing pages off my site now. My favorite candy bar is Caramello.
Noah, I’ve been following you’re content for two years, now I started my own project of Online Marketing for Entrepreneurs (less than a month and already a client), thanks a lot for everything. We will keep using you’re material to improve our project.
Very good material, we have to work in our SEO ASAP to start growing our site traffic.
Thanks again!
PS: We are from Argentina, so yes, you are inspiring people worldwide!
I listened last night. Good stuff. I’ve done a lot of work on my sites, but I’ve never deleted a ton of comment at once like Brian recommends. But my sites are almost 10 years old, so I’m sure there is a ton of content I can kill.
Was this the one tactic you used to permanently improve OK Dork? Or was it focusing on on your strengths of having experts write about their area of expertise?
Good job! I think this is the best one so far. I like the tactical step-by-step stuff. Keep it up!
Loved the episode, Noah!
As a side note, and as a non-expert, I would suggest making these shows a bit shorter. There was a lot of good stuff in this one, but as I had some other browser windows open and multi-tasking online is super challenging, I lost some of the last half of the show. Just sayin’…
If not overwhelming your customers is a target then I’m sad to say you’ve failed. Too much content, delivered far to quickly. I’m old and slow (er 50) and probably missed 50% of what was said. There again, the other 50% was useful (in an American way…). Does repetition of the same number (50) help? Yup, that was 50.
Do some brain exercises, man. 50 is the new 30. I’m 51 and I keep up.
Audio was fine for me. Noah Kagan is amazing!