Last updated on April 17, 2017
When I launched the first episode of my podcast Noah Kagan Presents, I asked all my listeners for one simple favor to help promote the show.
I promised to fly the person with my FAVORITE suggestion to Austin — all expenses paid — to hang out with me, do a bunch of cool stuff, and have the best day ever.
Charlie Johnson won the competition. 🔥
You might be able to relate to Charlie’s situation:
Sound familiar? Then this post is for you. Charlie and I go behind the scenes and share the surprising learnings we both had from our day hanging out.
Hear us talk about getting out of debt, starting a business, and even Charlie’s short experience coming up with titles for porn films.
Plus, we did a bunch of cool stuff together (at one point Charlie said he “wasn’t prepared for it”).
In today’s post and podcast, you’ll learn:
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I try to make the best out of every single day.
This means I fill my days with as many of my favorite activities as possible. Sometimes, this could mean crazy adventures like sky diving — but most of the time, it’s as simple as having my favorite cup of coffee in the morning.
The best day ever is about trying to engineer happiness into your day.
Anton, my coworker at Sumo, and I invented the “Best Day Ever” (BDE) framework a few years ago.
With a BDE you choose one activity to get your day started. From there, you ask other people where to go next. And then, you keep going…
You don’t plan a BDE ahead of time, and the only thing you control is the first activity and location. This makes for incredible fun.
Here’s how our first ever BDE unfolded:
The serendipity made it such a magical day. I’d encourage everyone to go do a BDE.
As my podcast competition winner, Charlie joined me in Austin for a BDE that included:
Here are some of the lessons from our time together.
When I launched my podcast, Charlie went the extra mile to help me promote it.
Before entering the competition, Charlie got analytical about how he could win. He read every other comment to see what the other entrants were doing and noticed an opportunity: No one was doing video. He decided to seize the opportunity.
He didn’t just leave a comment. He went out and made a video of himself handing out free tacos in the street and holding up signs promoting the show.
See for yourself, here’s the YouTube video Charlie produced.
Here’s the crazy thing: this video only took Charlie an extra few hours… but it lead to insane results! He was able to separate himself from the pack, get an all-expenses-paid trip to Austin, and get some tips about starting his business from me (in the past, I’ve charged $1,000/hr for my time).
As explained by Charlie, here’s why he went above-and-beyond:
Charlie’s approach kicks so much ass. If you want to stand out from a crowd, just do 1% more.
“Intense. I wasn’t prepared for it.” That’s how Charlie described our gym session to kick off the day.
When I’m in the gym, I like to push myself hard. I want to be in pain. And whenever something sucks, I know I’m doing the right thing.
“Whenever you think you’re done, you probably have a little more left.”
In business and all areas of life, I want to push myself towards where growth happens. It happens during the last rep.
This is especially true in the gym because we limit our ability by thinking small.
For example, on the battle ropes exercise we aimed for 30 seconds each. When we counted out loud to 30 seconds with the expectation of stopping, we both struggled.
But when we didn’t count, we had no idea what the time was and we kept pushing. On average, we were swinging the ropes for 50 seconds before fatigue really kicked in and we had to stop.
I’ve noticed this in my past gym sessions, too. When I say I’m going to do 5 pull-ups, I instantly get tired on the 4th rep because I tell myself I should be struggling.
Thinking in a box limits us in more places than the gym. For example:
Sometimes we set arbitrary goals for ourselves that end up limiting our progress. Experiment pushing yourself just a bit further than you thought you could.
Make things happen fast.
Don’t allow yourself vast amounts of time to get things done, because you’ll never end up doing them.
With every task, whether it’s business or personal, ask yourself these two questions:
Planning is the devil of productivity. When you’re planning something out, it can feel like work. But really, you’re just avoiding doing more important tasks.
Try to default to action so you can get things done and begin to learn faster.
You don’t need a perfect plan to start. Set time constraints and you’ll 10x your productivity.
I’ve been mountain biking a ton for the past nine months — and going down stairs is one of the most nerve-racking things you can do on a bike. It’s scary as shit. One mistake and you’re going head-first over the handlebars.
During Charlie’s day in Austin we went biking. I went down a steep set of 30 stairs and Charlie had two options:
Charlie took option #2.
Right after I got to the bottom of the stairs, I looked over my shoulder and saw Charlie right there behind me.
Reflecting on the challenge of mountain biking, we noted three important lessons from this experience:
Charlie wants to launch a Chrome extension and has a few other side projects. With some experience under his belt, Charlie isn’t a total noob when it comes to business. Here’s a little on his background:
Back in 2014, Charlie had $25k in credit card debt.
This debt stemmed from leasing an expensive apartment in Boston and sinking a ton of money into a company he had equity in by personally covering travel costs, client lunches, and other expenses.
After checking out a bunch of online calculators to figure out how long it’d take him to pay off his debt — and being stunned by the results (it was going to take years) — he decided to take a different route.
Charlie’s first two techniques were pretty straightforward:
1. Cutting costs
When you’re trying to get out of debt, one of the best ways to pay it off is to cut your expenses. Charlie decided to buy Bivy Sack (or a “human condom” as he called it), and sleep in the woods.
2. Putting aside his full-time income
Charlie was in a fairly good position with his full-time job, earning around $65,000 per year. Every penny he was making, he would try and optimize for paying off his debt as quickly as possible.
But this was just a part of the equation. He hit a wall with his full-time income and paying down his debt as fast as he wanted. His third, and most successful tactic, was to hustle on the side of his full-time gig.
3. Side hustling
Here’s a random thought for you: Isn’t it funny to think there’s someone out there making a decision on the name of porn videos on the internet?
Well, for a few weeks, that honor was Charlie’s.
Through Amazon Mechanical Turk, Charlie took up a gig titling porn films. But after his first paycheck was only $100, he realized this wasn’t a quick-fire way to clear his debt.
Next, he found out he could convince local business owners they needed his services as a consultant. He’d help with marketing, sales, operations, and anything else he could sink his teeth into. He’d pick up clients by:
Here’s a simple framework for when you are cold emailing or trying to chat with a VIP or influencer.
During his time consulting Charlie took on a range of jobs from project management, to managing AdWords campaigns, and even selling a restaurant. Here are a few things he learned:
Now Charlie is debt-free, and he’s keen to build his own business.
He currently has a few side projects he’s working on:
Here are the four pieces of advice I gave Charlie for starting his business — and these 4 strategies can help you if you’re starting a business too.
Everyone seems to have this dream of passive income. But the truth is, it doesn’t happen. If you’re building a real business, you’ll always have to put in the work.
Businesses don’t generate revenue overnight. For example, the first year at Sumo I made $42,000. That’s after quitting my 6+ figure job at Mint.com. If you’re going to commit to a business it has to be something you’ll still care about in 7 years time. If not, don’t even bother starting.
Even now, after Sumo has become a fairly established business with 40+ team members and eight-figures in revenue, I’m still on the front line checking what people are saying about us in tweets. It’s because I care.
If you’re going to start a business or side-hustle, don’t do it purely for the money. Find something you’re passionate about.
You should have a vision for what success looks like and it should be your sole focus:
The more clarity you have on your vision, the more successful you’ll be chasing it.
I’ve spoken to so many wantreprenuers who say they want to build a business, or they want to build “the Uber of x” product. But when I ask them how they’re going to achieve it, they don’t have a clue. They lack vision.
Building a business is a hard grind every day for years and years. You need a vision and purpose to work towards if you’re going to keep at it. Simply saying, “I want more money or more customers” isn’t enough.
Set specific goals.
Not sure on your vision yet? Ask yourself why you want a business or what your ultimate vision of success is. Once you know the answer, you can set out to achieve it.
Sometimes with goals, it can be hard to know how you’re performing against your targets.
You can work all day, pull all-nighters, and think you’re hustling… but then at the end of the month you realize you’re nowhere close to where you wanted to be.
Goals need to feel winnable. As you progress you need to know whether you’re winning or losing.
Break down your overall goal into smaller goals that you can track each week.
For example, say you want to bring in 20 new customers next month:
You now have a weekly goal you can win. If you send over 75 new business emails per week, you’re going to crush your monthly goal.
By having a weekly goal, you can also adjust your sails if things aren’t quite going to plan, rather than hitting the end of the month and realizing you missed your target.
Every day you should check in with someone who won’t accept you not hitting your goals.
We all need a kick in the ass sometimes. If you said you were going to do 10 push ups and you only did seven, you need someone to hold you accountable.
Accountability partners will help you stick with challenges and not give up and the first hurdle.
Try to find someone who is the “+1” of you in a certain area, or in a position you want. For example, if you’re starting a fitness supplement company, go find someone who already has a successful company and learn from them.
I had an awesome time hanging out with Charlie and I’m super grateful for him and everyone else (all 600 of y’all) who entered my podcast competition.
One key theme that kept coming up throughout my day with Charlie was the power of doing that little bit more and giving the extra 1% — whether it was strategies getting out of debt, building a side hustle into a full business, or something else.
If Charlie didn’t go above and beyond to help me promote my podcast, he probably wouldn’t have won the competition. In my own career and life, giving the extra 1% has helped propel me to the next level.
Think about how you can give the extra 1% in everything you do.