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		<title>By: Joel Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to school you Noah.</description>
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		<title>By: kareem</title>
		<link>http://okdork.com/2008/04/07/the-mis-education/comment-page-1/#comment-332372</link>
		<dc:creator>kareem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- how to manage email / rss / tivo / voicemail / magazines / etc - basically, bit literacy: http://tinyurl.com/2na8gb

- how to recognize and defeat learned helplessness in all areas of your life

- field trips to somewhere very different!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- how to manage email / rss / tivo / voicemail / magazines / etc &#8211; basically, bit literacy: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2na8gb" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2na8gb</a></p>
<p>- how to recognize and defeat learned helplessness in all areas of your life</p>
<p>- field trips to somewhere very different!</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://okdork.com/2008/04/07/the-mis-education/comment-page-1/#comment-329439</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there&#039;s a lot of basic stuff that should be taught and isn&#039;t. School should be to prepare us for more aspects of our future in addition to academics. There are also some great comments here and I&#039;ll keep this stuff in mind and try to slip these things into a high school physics curriculum. :oP :o) Thanks for the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there&#8217;s a lot of basic stuff that should be taught and isn&#8217;t. School should be to prepare us for more aspects of our future in addition to academics. There are also some great comments here and I&#8217;ll keep this stuff in mind and try to slip these things into a high school physics curriculum. <img src='http://okdork.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> P <img src='http://okdork.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> ) Thanks for the post!</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great topic, great post noah.

agree with the ones you mentioned (personal finance, health, relationships) as well as a few others listed (auto care, overall vocational learning).   another i would add is basic household maintenance stuff: carpentry, plumbing, electric, etc.  i really suck at all of that stuff.

seems like Jon&#039;s company http://EduFire.com is doing language education online.  another company i&#039;m an investor / advisor for is http://TeachStreet.com, which helps people search &amp; connect with local teachers &amp; instructors.  they haven&#039;t  launched yet, altho they&#039;ll be rolling out in Seattle soon.

i&#039;m also learning a lot about education for kids, since we&#039;ve got a 3-year-old about to start pre-school.  my wife&#039;s been doing a lot of home-school education with our son and 1-year-old daughter, and between her &amp; the nanny the kids are well on their way to speaking mandarin &amp; japanese.  kids just suck up new info from 0-3 at an amazing rate.  holy crap.

WSJ also did a recent review (here: http://tinyurl.com/67q58c) of 3 education sites for reviewing / finding schools for kids:
  - http://education.com
  - http://greatschools.net
  - http://schoolmatters.com

anyone know of other great sites for education info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great topic, great post noah.</p>
<p>agree with the ones you mentioned (personal finance, health, relationships) as well as a few others listed (auto care, overall vocational learning).   another i would add is basic household maintenance stuff: carpentry, plumbing, electric, etc.  i really suck at all of that stuff.</p>
<p>seems like Jon&#8217;s company <a href="http://EduFire.com" rel="nofollow">http://EduFire.com</a> is doing language education online.  another company i&#8217;m an investor / advisor for is <a href="http://TeachStreet.com" rel="nofollow">http://TeachStreet.com</a>, which helps people search &amp; connect with local teachers &amp; instructors.  they haven&#8217;t  launched yet, altho they&#8217;ll be rolling out in Seattle soon.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m also learning a lot about education for kids, since we&#8217;ve got a 3-year-old about to start pre-school.  my wife&#8217;s been doing a lot of home-school education with our son and 1-year-old daughter, and between her &amp; the nanny the kids are well on their way to speaking mandarin &amp; japanese.  kids just suck up new info from 0-3 at an amazing rate.  holy crap.</p>
<p>WSJ also did a recent review (here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/67q58c" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/67q58c</a>) of 3 education sites for reviewing / finding schools for kids:<br />
  &#8211; <a href="http://education.com" rel="nofollow">http://education.com</a><br />
  &#8211; <a href="http://greatschools.net" rel="nofollow">http://greatschools.net</a><br />
  &#8211; <a href="http://schoolmatters.com" rel="nofollow">http://schoolmatters.com</a></p>
<p>anyone know of other great sites for education info?</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Kagan</title>
		<link>http://okdork.com/2008/04/07/the-mis-education/comment-page-1/#comment-329349</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah Kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t know people cared about this topic so much. Something cool I just learned about today are Montessori schools. Basically the kids get to choose what they want to learn. How great is that? I think its a good start.

 The problem is the kids with perfect SATS and great test taking skills when it comes to thinking/doing/proactive behavior have real tough times. Is it necessary? 

Hell no, take orders, do your work and be happy. I think to be an entrepreneur, be independent, think for yourself and try new things it makes it much easier to start at a young age of questioning things and learning what you want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t know people cared about this topic so much. Something cool I just learned about today are Montessori schools. Basically the kids get to choose what they want to learn. How great is that? I think its a good start.</p>
<p> The problem is the kids with perfect SATS and great test taking skills when it comes to thinking/doing/proactive behavior have real tough times. Is it necessary? </p>
<p>Hell no, take orders, do your work and be happy. I think to be an entrepreneur, be independent, think for yourself and try new things it makes it much easier to start at a young age of questioning things and learning what you want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing:

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the current system stinks. This isn&#039;t a case of one bad teacher or a single bad school. It&#039;s the whole school system that wasted all of our formative years by playing babysitter, instead of engaging our brains and interests.

To paraphrase some friends, I think we need a revolution in education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing:</p>
<p>I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the current system stinks. This isn&#8217;t a case of one bad teacher or a single bad school. It&#8217;s the whole school system that wasted all of our formative years by playing babysitter, instead of engaging our brains and interests.</p>
<p>To paraphrase some friends, I think we need a revolution in education.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we talk about how to re-do the education system, we can&#039;t talk about what people &quot;need to learn&quot; or &quot;have to learn.&quot; That&#039;s just replacing one despotic system with another.

I think we need to give people an engaging way to learn what they&#039;re curious about and trust that they&#039;ll take what they need.

I urge you guys to see what EduFire.com is doing to education. Their menu of teachers and classes is a great solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we talk about how to re-do the education system, we can&#8217;t talk about what people &#8220;need to learn&#8221; or &#8220;have to learn.&#8221; That&#8217;s just replacing one despotic system with another.</p>
<p>I think we need to give people an engaging way to learn what they&#8217;re curious about and trust that they&#8217;ll take what they need.</p>
<p>I urge you guys to see what EduFire.com is doing to education. Their menu of teachers and classes is a great solution.</p>
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		<title>By: vanae</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re right. this has been on my mind for some time now. important life topics that kids are not learning in school before they are launched into the real world. 

not only that, but there is a need for this info to be packaged and delivered in a way that appeals to young people.

sadly, it will take a long time to change the curriculum in school, so we&#039;ll have to educate young people where they spend most of their time out of school: internet (youtube social networks)

im starting a youTube initiative for progressive peer videos on topics such as:

basic finances (credit)
mental health 
communication (with parents, school)
sexual health 
dating/relationships
volunteerism
goals and motivation

if you know people (experts in these areas) who might be interested in collab&#039;ng on these vids for young people, tag me 

yehaw*
=)
vanae</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re right. this has been on my mind for some time now. important life topics that kids are not learning in school before they are launched into the real world. </p>
<p>not only that, but there is a need for this info to be packaged and delivered in a way that appeals to young people.</p>
<p>sadly, it will take a long time to change the curriculum in school, so we&#8217;ll have to educate young people where they spend most of their time out of school: internet (youtube social networks)</p>
<p>im starting a youTube initiative for progressive peer videos on topics such as:</p>
<p>basic finances (credit)<br />
mental health<br />
communication (with parents, school)<br />
sexual health<br />
dating/relationships<br />
volunteerism<br />
goals and motivation</p>
<p>if you know people (experts in these areas) who might be interested in collab&#8217;ng on these vids for young people, tag me </p>
<p>yehaw*<br />
=)<br />
vanae</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>still thinking about this...so here I go again.

Along the lines of Andrew&#039;s comment (Hi Andrew--miss you!), I heard about a school many years ago that allowed students to create their own schedule (who says we all learn math better in the morning?), pick their own subjects, and even create their own learning environment.  They had options of desks, floor space, bean bags, listening to music while studying, etc.  Not all people learn the same way, so why not give the option to learn in a way that&#039;s customized.

I remember back to my own elementary school experience and I appreciated that I was allowed to do advanced programs (yeah, I was one of THOSE kids).  In third grade, I switched to the 6th grade class for a few hours each day.  I also was bused over to another school one day a week to do advanced teaching/creative projects and LOVED it.  I remember doing reports on tornados and architecture in 4th grade.  I&#039;d love to see more options for kids, to explore, to learn, and to challenge.

One last thing...then I promise I&#039;ll stop.  I really enjoyed my Freshman year of high school as I had all of my core classes (english, math, science and social studies) with the same group of kids.  The school purposely did this so we could bond and build community.  Only the Freshman classes were set up this way, but it created a great foundation for that awkward year of high school (i transferred to a new school, so this was vital for me!)

Again, great post and conversation.  Lots to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still thinking about this&#8230;so here I go again.</p>
<p>Along the lines of Andrew&#8217;s comment (Hi Andrew&#8211;miss you!), I heard about a school many years ago that allowed students to create their own schedule (who says we all learn math better in the morning?), pick their own subjects, and even create their own learning environment.  They had options of desks, floor space, bean bags, listening to music while studying, etc.  Not all people learn the same way, so why not give the option to learn in a way that&#8217;s customized.</p>
<p>I remember back to my own elementary school experience and I appreciated that I was allowed to do advanced programs (yeah, I was one of THOSE kids).  In third grade, I switched to the 6th grade class for a few hours each day.  I also was bused over to another school one day a week to do advanced teaching/creative projects and LOVED it.  I remember doing reports on tornados and architecture in 4th grade.  I&#8217;d love to see more options for kids, to explore, to learn, and to challenge.</p>
<p>One last thing&#8230;then I promise I&#8217;ll stop.  I really enjoyed my Freshman year of high school as I had all of my core classes (english, math, science and social studies) with the same group of kids.  The school purposely did this so we could bond and build community.  Only the Freshman classes were set up this way, but it created a great foundation for that awkward year of high school (i transferred to a new school, so this was vital for me!)</p>
<p>Again, great post and conversation.  Lots to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiren Patel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hiren Patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every day I am trying to catch up on things I didn&#039;t learn during my &quot;education.&quot;  I got diagnosed with type 2 diabetics during high school because I didn&#039;t understand the risks handed to me by genetics and the American food preferences. The health care system didn&#039;t alert of the risks until I had the disease and just tried to treat the symptoms by offering drugs.

I lost the weight and eat right/work out and I am slowly getting my body into the right direction after many many years of poisoning it.

I really wanted to learn a ton of things I didn&#039;t get to learn during school. If I  had to ability to try out subjects for 3 weeks and have the option to change into another discipline depending on how i feel, I feel I would have had more options. 

I believe we are moving toward a world where kids collaborate more online on projects and subjects they care about, we need to ask less from our students in the traditional sense (Get an A on a subject they don&#039;t care about).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every day I am trying to catch up on things I didn&#8217;t learn during my &#8220;education.&#8221;  I got diagnosed with type 2 diabetics during high school because I didn&#8217;t understand the risks handed to me by genetics and the American food preferences. The health care system didn&#8217;t alert of the risks until I had the disease and just tried to treat the symptoms by offering drugs.</p>
<p>I lost the weight and eat right/work out and I am slowly getting my body into the right direction after many many years of poisoning it.</p>
<p>I really wanted to learn a ton of things I didn&#8217;t get to learn during school. If I  had to ability to try out subjects for 3 weeks and have the option to change into another discipline depending on how i feel, I feel I would have had more options. </p>
<p>I believe we are moving toward a world where kids collaborate more online on projects and subjects they care about, we need to ask less from our students in the traditional sense (Get an A on a subject they don&#8217;t care about).</p>
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