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		<title>By: Jason H.</title>
		<link>http://okdork.com/2007/07/20/starting-a-new-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-122878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, interesting biz idea.  I think TheFuego can be the male version of DailyCandy.com.  

Check out the amzing success story of DailyCandy http://www.inc.com/magazine/20040201/howididit.html

My suggestion is that you should try to hangout in Yelp or Facebook--seems like that&#039;s where the young, male hipsters are hanging out nowadays...

Best of luck :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, interesting biz idea.  I think TheFuego can be the male version of DailyCandy.com.  </p>
<p>Check out the amzing success story of DailyCandy <a href="http://www.inc.com/magazine/20040201/howididit.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.inc.com/magazine/20040201/howididit.html</a></p>
<p>My suggestion is that you should try to hangout in Yelp or Facebook&#8211;seems like that&#8217;s where the young, male hipsters are hanging out nowadays&#8230;</p>
<p>Best of luck <img src='http://okdork.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hurff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Hurff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang Chris, You are a master.  I will email you directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang Chris, You are a master.  I will email you directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://okdork.com/2007/07/20/starting-a-new-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-122611</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d definitely stick with just men for now. As a matter of fact, I&#039;d start by narrowing down my niche even further. Men&#039;s magazine is a huge market. To cover health, entertainment, celebrity, and vice is a lot of work to start out with. I&#039;d brand this by narrowing my focus down to just what I care about. It sounds to me from the above that you&#039;re looking to create a young urban male lifestyle magazine. Leave the girlys to Maxim and Stuff. Leave the TV and movie news to Entertainment Weekly. Stick with what we can&#039;t find elsewhere: where and how to live classy.

How to build the brand? Once you&#039;ve got your core columns, it&#039;s easy to expand through experimentation. Try a cigar section. If no one likes it, drop it. If it takes off, expand it. Listening to what your readers like and don&#039;t like will be crucial, but that&#039;s what the interwebs for.

As for the branded vices like wines and cruises, that&#039;s a really interesting spin. It reminds me of Playboy in a way, only you can get away with being a bigger household name if your brand isn&#039;t synonymous with porn. Telling your mom you&#039;ve gone on a cruise sponsored by The Fuego is a lot easier than telling her the cruise was sponsored by Playboy. However, starting up a magazine, branding yourself as an expert, and attracting readers is going to be a big job. Also learning how to create your own branded line of merlot is going to be a lot to add to that plate. You can cheat though. Rather than selling your own wine, sell your opinion. You can start by creating a list of your favorites in each category: The Fuego&#039;s top cigar pick, our wine of the year, THE cruise for young, classy guys. This way you get the credit without the sweat. You can even make up a logo and hand them out to people awards style. This isn&#039;t necessarily better, but it&#039;s a lot easier and it actually creates content for the core zine rather than drawing your time away from it. Once you&#039;ve got your audience, people value your opinion about wine, AND you&#039;ve automated the magazine to the point where it doesn&#039;t totally absorb your life, only then would I consider starting my own wine label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d definitely stick with just men for now. As a matter of fact, I&#8217;d start by narrowing down my niche even further. Men&#8217;s magazine is a huge market. To cover health, entertainment, celebrity, and vice is a lot of work to start out with. I&#8217;d brand this by narrowing my focus down to just what I care about. It sounds to me from the above that you&#8217;re looking to create a young urban male lifestyle magazine. Leave the girlys to Maxim and Stuff. Leave the TV and movie news to Entertainment Weekly. Stick with what we can&#8217;t find elsewhere: where and how to live classy.</p>
<p>How to build the brand? Once you&#8217;ve got your core columns, it&#8217;s easy to expand through experimentation. Try a cigar section. If no one likes it, drop it. If it takes off, expand it. Listening to what your readers like and don&#8217;t like will be crucial, but that&#8217;s what the interwebs for.</p>
<p>As for the branded vices like wines and cruises, that&#8217;s a really interesting spin. It reminds me of Playboy in a way, only you can get away with being a bigger household name if your brand isn&#8217;t synonymous with porn. Telling your mom you&#8217;ve gone on a cruise sponsored by The Fuego is a lot easier than telling her the cruise was sponsored by Playboy. However, starting up a magazine, branding yourself as an expert, and attracting readers is going to be a big job. Also learning how to create your own branded line of merlot is going to be a lot to add to that plate. You can cheat though. Rather than selling your own wine, sell your opinion. You can start by creating a list of your favorites in each category: The Fuego&#8217;s top cigar pick, our wine of the year, THE cruise for young, classy guys. This way you get the credit without the sweat. You can even make up a logo and hand them out to people awards style. This isn&#8217;t necessarily better, but it&#8217;s a lot easier and it actually creates content for the core zine rather than drawing your time away from it. Once you&#8217;ve got your audience, people value your opinion about wine, AND you&#8217;ve automated the magazine to the point where it doesn&#8217;t totally absorb your life, only then would I consider starting my own wine label.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hurff</title>
		<link>http://okdork.com/2007/07/20/starting-a-new-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-121744</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Hurff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trick, I love it.

One question I have is on the archives: I think a big problem is demonstrating knowledge in a field and having the past to prove it.  The WSJ gets around this online because they&#039;ve been around for a 100 years or so -- 

do you mean having some sample content, showcasing that, then charging an access fee to the rest?  And doing more featurey things to hype up the &quot;what you&#039;re missing&quot; factor beyond just the free stuff?

I&#039;ve had a lot of people ask me about the weekly email, too.  I like your approach with the 3x a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trick, I love it.</p>
<p>One question I have is on the archives: I think a big problem is demonstrating knowledge in a field and having the past to prove it.  The WSJ gets around this online because they&#8217;ve been around for a 100 years or so &#8212; </p>
<p>do you mean having some sample content, showcasing that, then charging an access fee to the rest?  And doing more featurey things to hype up the &#8220;what you&#8217;re missing&#8221; factor beyond just the free stuff?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a lot of people ask me about the weekly email, too.  I like your approach with the 3x a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My immediate first question is why make it a weekly email newsletter? I&#039;m not convinced that you do better that way rather than making it a blog updated 3 times a week.

Secondly the thing I foresee becoming an issue is that if you&#039;re a vendor as well as a reviewer you&#039;re going to face questions of legitimacy over your brands. Which means that if you&#039;re going to recommend fuego cigars over others, they better be the better choice.

My first piece of advice: exclusivity. If you want to appeal to this crowd, put the silk rope into effect and keep people out. Don&#039;t make your archives public, keep it exclusive and controlled.

Where to start seems like a tough thing to answer. Find something that fits the bill of what you&#039;re trying to offer, get the rights, smack a fuego label on it, and send it out. Probably easiest, depending on where you are, is to find a brewery or winery and start putting out Fuego products.

Becoming an expert is a fairly easy process. Mostly because there are no experts about experts. To be an expert you just have to know more than your reader. To do so: hit Amazon, search for books in the area, get the top 5 rated books plus the intro ones (if needed) and there you go, you&#039;re more educated than the reader usually. If someone finds a mistake, be gracious and open about it. Hiding mistakes online doesn&#039;t work so well.

And stay with guys. If you want to begin hitting the female consumers, open a sister company or brand.

Those are my thoughts folks.
-- Trick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My immediate first question is why make it a weekly email newsletter? I&#8217;m not convinced that you do better that way rather than making it a blog updated 3 times a week.</p>
<p>Secondly the thing I foresee becoming an issue is that if you&#8217;re a vendor as well as a reviewer you&#8217;re going to face questions of legitimacy over your brands. Which means that if you&#8217;re going to recommend fuego cigars over others, they better be the better choice.</p>
<p>My first piece of advice: exclusivity. If you want to appeal to this crowd, put the silk rope into effect and keep people out. Don&#8217;t make your archives public, keep it exclusive and controlled.</p>
<p>Where to start seems like a tough thing to answer. Find something that fits the bill of what you&#8217;re trying to offer, get the rights, smack a fuego label on it, and send it out. Probably easiest, depending on where you are, is to find a brewery or winery and start putting out Fuego products.</p>
<p>Becoming an expert is a fairly easy process. Mostly because there are no experts about experts. To be an expert you just have to know more than your reader. To do so: hit Amazon, search for books in the area, get the top 5 rated books plus the intro ones (if needed) and there you go, you&#8217;re more educated than the reader usually. If someone finds a mistake, be gracious and open about it. Hiding mistakes online doesn&#8217;t work so well.</p>
<p>And stay with guys. If you want to begin hitting the female consumers, open a sister company or brand.</p>
<p>Those are my thoughts folks.<br />
&#8211; Trick</p>
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