Comments on: Innovation is dead: The History of Copycats http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/ A blog about marketing, online communities and other business musings. Come join the fun! Wed, 09 Nov 2011 02:14:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Brad http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-526397 Brad Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:17:21 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-526397 Flickr was the first photo site to come along? Are you nuts? Flickr started in '04. Webshots was in 1995. Shutterfly, Snapfish, Ofoto (now Kodak's) and dotPhoto all started in 1999 or 2000. Granted - Flickr changed the game, but they are hardly the original. There are dozens of other photo sites that are no longer around that also pre-dated Flickr. Flickr was the first photo site to come along? Are you nuts? Flickr started in ’04. Webshots was in 1995. Shutterfly, Snapfish, Ofoto (now Kodak’s) and dotPhoto all started in 1999 or 2000. Granted – Flickr changed the game, but they are hardly the original. There are dozens of other photo sites that are no longer around that also pre-dated Flickr.

]]> By: Ryan Green http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-492 Ryan Green Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:21:08 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-492 I would not equate Picasa to Flickr at all, for a couple of reasons. First, the obvious: one is web-based, and the other is local. Flickr is about sharing your photos with others, picasa is for organizing ALL your pictures, public or private. Plus, there's no bandwidth limit on picasa, only your HD. Flickr is for-pay I would not equate Picasa to Flickr at all, for a couple of reasons. First, the obvious: one is web-based, and the other is local. Flickr is about sharing your photos with others, picasa is for organizing ALL your pictures, public or private. Plus, there’s no bandwidth limit on picasa, only your HD. Flickr is for-pay

]]> By: Scott Rafer http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-487 Scott Rafer Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:08:52 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-487 Friendster explicitly copied Ryze. Jonathan seems to have gotten Adrian's blessing to do so. Now that Adrian is re-investing in Ryze, from his new HQ in Panama, I'd watch for it to rise back up. Friendster explicitly copied Ryze. Jonathan seems to have gotten Adrian’s blessing to do so. Now that Adrian is re-investing in Ryze, from his new HQ in Panama, I’d watch for it to rise back up.

]]> By: Robert G http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-439 Robert G Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:46:23 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-439 What about the RSS Readers? Which one came first? Bloglines has definately changed the way I use the internet. Also, TKM, shouldn't Yahoo come before infoseek.? What about the RSS Readers? Which one came first?

Bloglines has definately changed the way I use the internet.

Also, TKM, shouldn’t Yahoo come before infoseek.?

]]> By: Bob Uhl http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-437 Bob Uhl Wed, 08 Feb 2006 05:45:25 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-437 Actually, I think that reddit is a bigger thing than del.icio.us, and different from it as well. del.icio.us merely gave me a new way to deal with my bookmarks, and some sites (e.g. tribe.net--which incidentally would be my favourite social networking site, were it not for the small audience and the preponderance of Really Strange Burning Man Fans) take advantage of that in cool ways, sure. But reddit has completely changed the way I go about my daily webbing. The vast majority of my blog entries these days are cool things I saw thereon; the news sites which I used formerly are contributing much less than previously. Indeed, it's amusing to see how a reddit entry can appear days later--or in one notable case, two reddit entries were combined into one idea on a decidedly non-technical website. So I'd say that from my perspective we're getting a nice series of Cool New Sites. Google, Flickr, del.icio.us, reddit. Now if only I could find social networking with the technical savvy of tribe.net but the audience of friendster or myspace... Actually, I think that reddit is a bigger thing than del.icio.us, and different from it as well. del.icio.us merely gave me a new way to deal with my bookmarks, and some sites (e.g. tribe.net–which incidentally would be my favourite social networking site, were it not for the small audience and the preponderance of Really Strange Burning Man Fans) take advantage of that in cool ways, sure. But reddit has completely changed the way I go about my daily webbing. The vast majority of my blog entries these days are cool things I saw thereon; the news sites which I used formerly are contributing much less than previously. Indeed, it’s amusing to see how a reddit entry can appear days later–or in one notable case, two reddit entries were combined into one idea on a decidedly non-technical website.

So I’d say that from my perspective we’re getting a nice series of Cool New Sites. Google, Flickr, del.icio.us, reddit. Now if only I could find social networking with the technical savvy of tribe.net but the audience of friendster or myspace…

]]> By: dreams http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-431 dreams Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:22:37 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-431 Hmmm, The Jan/Feb issue of B2.0 has an article entitled 'Start Last, Finish First' which echos the same sentiment: now is a good time, as an entrepreneur, to challenge the leaders. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/01/01/8368119/ Hmmm, The Jan/Feb issue of B2.0 has an article entitled ‘Start Last, Finish First’ which echos the same sentiment: now is a good time, as an entrepreneur, to challenge the leaders.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/01/01/8368119/

]]> By: Cap http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-429 Cap Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:36:13 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-429 thats a good mention. word press, typepad, blogger, etc. are good stuff. they certainly have changed life for some of us, in a sense. and oh yeah, how can I forget... wikipedia! it's still pretty new I guess. 5 years now? I guess thats the last site where I think "omg this is awesome." thats a good mention. word press, typepad, blogger, etc. are good stuff. they certainly have changed life for some of us, in a sense.

and oh yeah, how can I forget… wikipedia! it’s still pretty new I guess. 5 years now? I guess thats the last site where I think “omg this is awesome.”

]]> By: Aaron http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-428 Aaron Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:39:30 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-428 It's very hard to tell if this is criticism of the followers. I think you have failed to label your followers as either me-toos or re-innovators. Also, can't quite make out the timeline of your lists... are you saying that webshots came after flickr? and where does ofoto fit into the mix in this case? I will take our own situation, for example; if the online storage market had been left alone, consumers would be faced with: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=xdrive+problems&btnG=Search+Blogs Sometimes you need to see what someone did wrong, before you can do something right. -Aaron It’s very hard to tell if this is criticism of the followers. I think you have failed to label your followers as either me-toos or re-innovators. Also, can’t quite make out the timeline of your lists… are you saying that webshots came after flickr? and where does ofoto fit into the mix in this case? I will take our own situation, for example; if the online storage market had been left alone, consumers would be faced with:

http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=xdrive+problems&btnG=Search+Blogs

Sometimes you need to see what someone did wrong, before you can do something right.

-Aaron

]]> By: Yali Friedman http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-425 Yali Friedman Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:58:27 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-425 I'd like to cite a source from under your own roof: Web Services in the Mist: http://www.unionsquareventures.com/2006/01/web_services_in.html As a biochemist, I found the analogy of the similarity of human and chimpanzee genome content and web 2.0 infrastructure illuminating. What we're seeing here isn't a lack of innovation, but rather evolutionary instead of revolutionary change. Successive companies are refining the models until something hits. Sure there's a lot of questionable progress, but revolutionary changes also exhibit this (eg. pet rocks, drinking birds, and singing fish were a real departure from other novelty retail products, but didn't have any 'legs'). From a 30,000 foot view, it's better to refine existing, but imperfect, models than to reinvent the wheel each time. So many people haven't heard of blogs, rss, flickr, or tagging yet. Why invent yet new paradigms before these can harden and mature into concepts that become widely adopted? I’d like to cite a source from under your own roof: Web Services in the Mist: http://www.unionsquareventures.com/2006/01/web_services_in.html

As a biochemist, I found the analogy of the similarity of human and chimpanzee genome content and web 2.0 infrastructure illuminating.

What we’re seeing here isn’t a lack of innovation, but rather evolutionary instead of revolutionary change. Successive companies are refining the models until something hits. Sure there’s a lot of questionable progress, but revolutionary changes also exhibit this (eg. pet rocks, drinking birds, and singing fish were a real departure from other novelty retail products, but didn’t have any ‘legs’).

From a 30,000 foot view, it’s better to refine existing, but imperfect, models than to reinvent the wheel each time. So many people haven’t heard of blogs, rss, flickr, or tagging yet. Why invent yet new paradigms before these can harden and mature into concepts that become widely adopted?

]]> By: Damon Z http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/comment-page-1/#comment-422 Damon Z Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:35:09 +0000 http://okdork.com/2006/02/05/innovation-is-dead-the-history-of-copycats/#comment-422 Things work in cycle, the end of innovation only announces a soon to be burst of new websites :). I came across an interesting one called Standpoint, http://www.standpoint.com/index.php , it's no google or yahoo but it's interesting. Things work in cycle, the end of innovation only announces a soon to be burst of new websites :) . I came across an interesting one called Standpoint, http://www.standpoint.com/index.php , it’s no google or yahoo but it’s interesting.

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